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I just saw pop recommended on this community. Its still got a ton of people who’ve had good experiences recommending it. But they might not know it now defaults to cosmic.
Pop is a great distro, but it is currently going through a transition. IMHO, recommending to anyone new is a mistake. It’ll create a bad image of the hard work the developers have been doing.
I agree and wouldnt recommended it either but ultimately the devs shouldn’t be putting cosmic up just yet especially in the LTS. People will always recommend the most random shit when it comes to distros combine that with those dogshit listsites and AI new users should be encouraged to try multiple just to not have them getting stuck on one thinking its representative.
The video is 3 different people not just Linus. PopOS is not an uncommon choice, go into any beginner linux space and you’ll find people installing it all the time. All the issues were from System76 this time and last time.
Because an average user would do that. Hell, I use Linux full-time and I didn’t know that PopOS in a huge transition. A user wants a gaming-focused distro an picks one. It should just work if we want all those Windows users to transition. He can’t do it right either, there will always be someone complaining about his choice. People here seem to think they’re an average user, when they’re really way above average in terms of technical knowledge. Even if Linus should maybe know better, it’s better that he does some dumb stuff because that’s what many people would do.
Yes, but he could disclose that Popos is in this state. It’s ok to show the experience but he did not go the extra step expected from a tech youtuber. What’s the difference between watching him struggle with popos or having my mother do the same? Isn’t he supposed to be techy and informative? And he did it in a lan party instead of his super expensive and professional whatever lab he built. It feels deliberate to not show the full picture. Linux is incredible for gaming and all he does is ‘let’s ask chatgpt’ and ‘it fails on my machine’. Very good tech tips.
What’s the difference between watching him struggle with popos or having my mother do the same?
I can’t watch your mom on youtube? Average windows users will want to know if they can make the switch with their average windows user knowledge and approach, that’s valuable information to them.
If he used all these special resources he has, that would be akin to those “I built this super awesome table from scrap wood I found behind my local supermarket” videos that fail to mention they also used the 100.000 bucks worth of tools in their professional woodworking shop. And people would then rightfully complain about that.
You clearly misunderstood me. I don’t think there’s much value for someone looking for an easy way into Linux watching someone who already knows the drill. Linus whole motive is helping non tech savvy people with tech things, and I think he could have done a lot better about communicating the state of Linux after installing popos (something you couldn’t watch my mother do even if I livestreamed it to you). He also did not show the troubleshooting afterwards or even testing another distro which can be done very quickly, and declared that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test. To be fair, I also encounter some bugs now and then, but so does every OS. The message I think his video is lacking is that everyone can figure out Linux for general purpose usage. What’s the tech tip otherwise? Stay on Windows because it is a good out of the box experience? From what I remember after tinkering many years before switching to Linux, setting up Windows is a slow, data recollecting riddled, expensive miserable experience. Linux is literally free, he should encourage people to try it.
I think the purpose of the video is to review who you can just tell to switch to linux and have them be able to do it unassisted in a short time frame. I think it does a pretty good job of showing that, the type of person linus was emulating represents a pretty large group of people and they generally can’t switch without either a large amount of frustration or a helpful friend. Also keep in mind this is the first in a series not a single video.
I think you are grossly overestimating people’s capabilities if you think anyone can switch to linux with no interactive help. https://xkcd.com/2501/ . “Setting up windows” for most people means swiping the credit card and pressing the power button. They do not care about data collection, and if its slow then they think they should buy the upgraded model.
I also think its funny how many of the people in this thread see this as a negative video, when I think it actually shows things in a very positive light, just a realistic one. I have already had someone switch to linux because of this video.
He also did not show the troubleshooting afterwards or even testing another distro which can be done very quickly, and declared that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test.
Because he had people waiting for him in a game lobby (that’s the thing I’d actually give him shit for, trying out a new OS at a LAN) and decided to fall back to a known working OS to be able to get on with his day. And that’s exactly what many average users would do in a similar situation (not necessarily sitting at a LAN but maybe urgently needing to get on with productive task x y or z instead of troubleshooting).
He also did not declare “that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test.”, this is a multi part series and he already said he tried different distros afterwards.
I hate LTT with a passion, but pop os is my fist linux distro in a decade with very limited knowledge, and it works really well. I haven’t booted up windows in like 4 months, so i’m not really sure what the fuck he’s even doing.
I have two different views and explanation what could have happened. Choose one. :D
The only benefit of doubt I can give Linus with this choice is, because its praised and recommended a lot. And that Linus is tackling this from a end user perspective who is searching the web and ChatGPT recommendation, coming of fresh from Windows without Linux experience. We all know Linus has Linux experience, but he might go the unexperienced route as a guide. And none of the websites doing these recommendations talk about the transitional phase PopOS is in right now.
But if I assume “bad” intentions, then he very well have made a risky choice by choice. Because he knows the other two will have good experience and then almost nothing controversial would happen = boring video, no interactions in the comment. He might have chose PopOS to boos his channel, not because he really really want to try PopOS again after he got burned so hard last time…
I think he’s a sleazy little shit who loves money more than anything. There is absolutely no good intentions about this. Even your “average user” knows where to go and whom to ask. The fact that a person goes out of their way to think about replacing an operating system already puts them in a higher bracket on the intelligence scale. Those who don’t know, won’t even have a problem with windows and will never even know what Linux is. I dislike Linus even more after this video.
This seals it for me, Linus picks bad distros on purpose for views. Wtf, why would you pick pop os again? Distro is in a huge transition right now.
I just saw pop recommended on this community. Its still got a ton of people who’ve had good experiences recommending it. But they might not know it now defaults to cosmic.
Pop is a great distro, but it is currently going through a transition. IMHO, recommending to anyone new is a mistake. It’ll create a bad image of the hard work the developers have been doing.
I agree and wouldnt recommended it either but ultimately the devs shouldn’t be putting cosmic up just yet especially in the LTS. People will always recommend the most random shit when it comes to distros combine that with those dogshit listsites and AI new users should be encouraged to try multiple just to not have them getting stuck on one thinking its representative.
I mean, he does answer why. You can disagree about the reason but he answers your question.
And a new user trying to pick a distro would know and understand that … how? Because that’s the experience he’s trying to emulate.
I frequently see pop os recommended on lemmy too, so please don’t act like it’s obviously some outrageously silly choice.
The video is 3 different people not just Linus. PopOS is not an uncommon choice, go into any beginner linux space and you’ll find people installing it all the time. All the issues were from System76 this time and last time.
Because an average user would do that. Hell, I use Linux full-time and I didn’t know that PopOS in a huge transition. A user wants a gaming-focused distro an picks one. It should just work if we want all those Windows users to transition. He can’t do it right either, there will always be someone complaining about his choice. People here seem to think they’re an average user, when they’re really way above average in terms of technical knowledge. Even if Linus should maybe know better, it’s better that he does some dumb stuff because that’s what many people would do.
Yes, but he could disclose that Popos is in this state. It’s ok to show the experience but he did not go the extra step expected from a tech youtuber. What’s the difference between watching him struggle with popos or having my mother do the same? Isn’t he supposed to be techy and informative? And he did it in a lan party instead of his super expensive and professional whatever lab he built. It feels deliberate to not show the full picture. Linux is incredible for gaming and all he does is ‘let’s ask chatgpt’ and ‘it fails on my machine’. Very good tech tips.
Did you watch the video? Every complaint you made was answered
I can’t watch your mom on youtube? Average windows users will want to know if they can make the switch with their average windows user knowledge and approach, that’s valuable information to them.
If he used all these special resources he has, that would be akin to those “I built this super awesome table from scrap wood I found behind my local supermarket” videos that fail to mention they also used the 100.000 bucks worth of tools in their professional woodworking shop. And people would then rightfully complain about that.
You clearly misunderstood me. I don’t think there’s much value for someone looking for an easy way into Linux watching someone who already knows the drill. Linus whole motive is helping non tech savvy people with tech things, and I think he could have done a lot better about communicating the state of Linux after installing popos (something you couldn’t watch my mother do even if I livestreamed it to you). He also did not show the troubleshooting afterwards or even testing another distro which can be done very quickly, and declared that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test. To be fair, I also encounter some bugs now and then, but so does every OS. The message I think his video is lacking is that everyone can figure out Linux for general purpose usage. What’s the tech tip otherwise? Stay on Windows because it is a good out of the box experience? From what I remember after tinkering many years before switching to Linux, setting up Windows is a slow, data recollecting riddled, expensive miserable experience. Linux is literally free, he should encourage people to try it.
I think the purpose of the video is to review who you can just tell to switch to linux and have them be able to do it unassisted in a short time frame. I think it does a pretty good job of showing that, the type of person linus was emulating represents a pretty large group of people and they generally can’t switch without either a large amount of frustration or a helpful friend. Also keep in mind this is the first in a series not a single video.
I think you are grossly overestimating people’s capabilities if you think anyone can switch to linux with no interactive help. https://xkcd.com/2501/ . “Setting up windows” for most people means swiping the credit card and pressing the power button. They do not care about data collection, and if its slow then they think they should buy the upgraded model.
I also think its funny how many of the people in this thread see this as a negative video, when I think it actually shows things in a very positive light, just a realistic one. I have already had someone switch to linux because of this video.
Because he had people waiting for him in a game lobby (that’s the thing I’d actually give him shit for, trying out a new OS at a LAN) and decided to fall back to a known working OS to be able to get on with his day. And that’s exactly what many average users would do in a similar situation (not necessarily sitting at a LAN but maybe urgently needing to get on with productive task x y or z instead of troubleshooting).
He also did not declare “that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test.”, this is a multi part series and he already said he tried different distros afterwards.
I hate LTT with a passion, but pop os is my fist linux distro in a decade with very limited knowledge, and it works really well. I haven’t booted up windows in like 4 months, so i’m not really sure what the fuck he’s even doing.
I have two different views and explanation what could have happened. Choose one. :D
The only benefit of doubt I can give Linus with this choice is, because its praised and recommended a lot. And that Linus is tackling this from a end user perspective who is searching the web and ChatGPT recommendation, coming of fresh from Windows without Linux experience. We all know Linus has Linux experience, but he might go the unexperienced route as a guide. And none of the websites doing these recommendations talk about the transitional phase PopOS is in right now.
But if I assume “bad” intentions, then he very well have made a risky choice by choice. Because he knows the other two will have good experience and then almost nothing controversial would happen = boring video, no interactions in the comment. He might have chose PopOS to boos his channel, not because he really really want to try PopOS again after he got burned so hard last time…
I think he’s a sleazy little shit who loves money more than anything. There is absolutely no good intentions about this. Even your “average user” knows where to go and whom to ask. The fact that a person goes out of their way to think about replacing an operating system already puts them in a higher bracket on the intelligence scale. Those who don’t know, won’t even have a problem with windows and will never even know what Linux is. I dislike Linus even more after this video.