I understand that some of the criticism comes from conservatives but the sentiment seems to extend far beyond thst. Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?
But it is worse.
That’s my whole point backed up with research.
And it specifically makes the world more hostile for women and girls.
It perpetuates the very systems that harm us under the guise of “sexual empowerment”.
Please think about who benefits the most from sexual objectification of women and girls.
It is not women and girls. No matter how you spin it as “empowerment” or anything else.
When you’re using the same “arguments” as an evangelical televangelist to rebut an argument no one is making, I suspect you’re probably not arguing in good faith.
I think you are missing the forest for the trees here, a capitalist society is by design hostile to any “second class” person (women, disabled, POC).
You need to ground these ideas and think what policies would work on this. If you try to abolish sexwork the only think you will accomplish it even worse conditions for any informal worker. Any person that was willing to perform that kind of work would be out of any protection.
So what are your policies?
Would people still do ‘sexwork’ in a socialist society? If they have no need to work for shelter or food, would people still do it?
So do nothing because the world isn’t perfect. ?
As I keep saying. There is scientific evidence supporting the harms of sexual objectification. The harms of making prostitution legal.
You can pretend it’s not true. Doesn’t change the reality.
No policies then
You keep making claims, but you don’t bring any evidence. I suspect that’s because you know how utterly unscientific most of the “studies” that support your position are and how the only thing they really prove is that exploitation of labor is bad regardless of the kind of labor. But since you’re really dedicated to the “sex is special and magical” kind of bullshit magical thinking, I’m sure they seem very persuasive to you.
I literally gave multiple resources links in my original comment.
Its honestly sad to see so many people believe the Epstein class rhetoric has women’s best interest in mind.
Wikipedia articles and opinion pieces by political advocacy groups run by Neoliberal politicians and literal cops aren’t very strong evidence of anything. The one actual study you linked, like most others in its (usually church funded) genre, just proves something anyone could have told you: marginalizing a group of workers makes them more vulnerable to exploitation and less able to seek legal help when it happens. Any undocumented farm worker could tell you the same thing.
Why is it only poor people do sex work ? https://www.uoc.edu/en/news/2025/study-90-percent-women-prostitution-only-option-survival
If it’s so wonderful , why not upper class women and girls?
Why does prostitution increase when wealth disparity increases?
Why is prostitution more common in poorer countries? https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/younger-girls-forced-into-prostitution-in-economic-crisis-conference-idUSBRE8B4107/
Why is prostitution more abundant in my mysoginist inequality countries? https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/etudes/join/2014/493040/IPOL-FEMM_ET(2014)493040_EN.pdf
Why does legalizing prostitution increase rates of violence and sexual assault on local women.?https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298317834_Rape_and_other_sex_offenses_in_Nevada_1990-2007
Why does legalizing sex work increase trafficking? The challenges of fighting sex trafficking in the legalized prostitution market of the Netherlands https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9512-4
Here is another thing to consider. Sexual liberation is being free to express your own sexual desires and sexual behaviors without fear of stigmatization.
Sex work is being paid to conform to an expectation of a client , usually a man. A man that is unable to attract a partner due to various reasons. But none the less, is the type that has to pay for someone to pretend to want to be with them.
Being paid to pretend to want to have sex with someone is peak anti-sexual liberation.
It’s saying the sex workers pleasure and desires are irrelevant. Her only purpose is to apease a man’s pleasure. Not her own.
And she needs to smile while she does it.
Why is it mostly only women who do sex work? Why is that? Almost like if things were actually equal it wouldnt be so 1 sided.
Don’t confuse turning a profit for freedom. You have a very capitalistic view of sex. Capitalism not only fuels racism. It 100% fuels inequality.
Also. My previous Links were from university websites. Research articles about published peer reviewed articles and Wikipedia articles to define definitions. I’m guessing you didn’t actually look at them.
Have you ever considered which systematic aspects of our society fuel the patriarchy and inequality or do you think it just appeared one day and stays around for no reason?
You ever wonder why so many people vote against their own self interest?
Because they are tricked into thinking their shackles are freedom and liberation. They willingly put them on. Tell others it’s wonderful to be sold. It’s liberating, infact. So much sexual empowerment to be an object abused and used.
Ok, I get it, you believe very passionately in bronze age sexual mores. You don’t have a persuasive case to make that the things you’ve listed here are unique to sex work, nor have you addressed my point about other forms of exploitive labor and marginalized people. I suspect that’s because deep down you know there is no case to make there, unless you start from the position that sex is special and magical, and you’re simply not used to arguing against someone who explicitly rejects that presupposition.
Literally everyone can just scroll up a few replies to see that it’s exactly what I said: two Wikipedia articles, one opinion piece by an anti sex work crusader org with literal cops and Neoliberal politicians on its board, and a study that doesn’t control for any confounding factors (most such studies are funded by the LDS or Catholic Church, so they don’t control for those factors bcs they know they won’t get the results they’re being paid for if they do. Didn’t read far enough to know of your study is one of those, but statistically speaking the odds are good).
I’ve read extensively on the subject and I will say again what I’ve said several times in this thread: 100% of patriarchy comes from the belief that sex is special and magical and from that the ideas of virginity and purity come to guarantee paternity and maximize the selling price of daughters, from there comes almost all of the forms of patriarchy.
Now if you can explain without any magical thinking or putting sex into a special category just why you think that sex workers arearginallzed and exploited in a way that is materially different from undocumented farm workers, please do so. If not, please shut the hell up, because it’s now painfully obvious to everyone that your magical thinking doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny.
I think people should have sex with who they want. Not who they are forced to because of poverty.
If that’s bronze age morals, so be it.
Also lots of upper middle class women work. Most do actually.
Rich people don’t to sex work like they don’t do any kind of work that requires real labor, more news at 11.
Now being serious, I fail to see how that makes sexwork any special that it needs to be removed completely.
As usual you won’t tackle what the previous user said:
Because yes! farm workers are usually exposed to chemicals used in farming with minimal protection (gloves and masks) while sweating under 40 degrees Celsius at least on California
You already know why this happens and why it is exploitative
When is the last time a farm worker was raped. Given a std that’s permanent. ?
Beaten. Stalked. ?