I got my 13 a few months ago and it kind of sucks if I waited I could have gotten the 13 pro instead. However I won’t throw it all away or sell it to buy the pro even though I could. I’m planning on upgrading one part a year (or whenever they break), starting with the keyboard cover, to get to the pro. What are your plans?
He funded the projects of a person who holds those beliefs multiple times and has not denounced DHH’s beliefs when questioned. Saying you are pro immigrant and pro lgbt is not a counter to working with and funding someone who wants those people gone.
It doesnt matter if he isn’t personally a white supremacist if he chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them over the concerns of others in the community. Big tent is stupid. If a nazi walks into a bar, announces theres a nazi, and you do not kick them out, that is a nazi bar. If they found out later that he was a white supremacist, the first thing they should have done was stop funding, apologize for funding him and not knowing about his views, say that they do not agree with those views and they are not welcome, and that they would be more careful in the future.
We only got bits and pieces of that after the community complained. Giving a nazi money, then when it is found out saying “well, we have a bit tent ideology,” then later after getting flak for it saying “well actually I’m pro- the things the nazi hates” is not very inspiring. A company that actually cares would admit the fault and fix it, not try to brush it under the rug.
@jjagaimo @pseudo contagion ethics:
We say some sorts of interaction with DHH is akin to approval of his ideology, this minimizes our ability to differentiate between degrees of material harm.
It also means that we should say that anyone that buys a framework thus also supports DHH’s ideology. Starting to be a lot of people who we probably normally wouldn’t call “Nazi.”
It would incidentally also mean use of Linux in 2014 means approval of verbal abuse, see: Linux mailing list.
This, exactly. Ideological analogue of one drop of blood.
@jjagaimo @pseudo proximal ethics and disperse responsibility:
DHH being a single prominent figure an easy lightning rod to blame. Interaction with him easy to identify and punish - and b/c of contagion ethics, degree of material harm irrelevant.
Meanwhile everyone gets a pass for giving money to AWS, who facilitates genocide via the IDF. Disperse responsibility across a faceless org means the greater material harm of this isn’t analyzed. It’s a structural necessity.
@jjagaimo @pseudo
“What are we going to do? That’s capitalism, we have to use AWS.”
We don’t give the same good grace to Framework for engaging in actions of structural necessity: not just DHH, they also send machines to Hyprland and a couple projects that don’t have CoC, a smear of varying degrees of UKIP type people, with DHH being furthest on the spectrum of course.
They do it to ensure compatibility among the most popular distros/DEs, which includes, unfortunately, Omarchy.
@jjagaimo @pseudo
Proximal ethics: we give ourselves good grace for funding genocide, we criticize Framework for trying to maintain a compatible ecosystem which results in occasionally a total piece of shit getting a free laptop.
We put selective pressure against a good actor trying to do good (create right to repair ecosystem and prove market viability), and select instead for bad behavior - you can get away with abetting genocide if you don’t pretend to be good and are immune to feedback
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
But this is the crux, right? That they refused the struggle sess, not that they’ve done anything particularly bad. Because materially:
False. Once, and even that is is tenuous. The laptop was one of many not to support the recipients, but to ensure compatibility. During the 3 weeks that the Internet thought Omarchy was cool.
False. Funding had already happened by the time the issue was flagged, and there are no indications that any more money is going DHH’s way.
And moreover Anarcat, who originally raised the issue, soon agreed that Framework are in the clear:
But that is not the remedy requested. Instead, they are invited to performative self-humiliation:
…which they never did. And this makes some people angry. Because this is a power struggle where a small online clique is trying to assert its authority to gatekeep the in-group.
So why don’t you do all of us a favor, and redirect that struggle session shit to any of the AI companies, or the suppliers pivoting to cater to them, or the surveillance-tech, or Alex fucking Karp in particular — all of whom are materially making our world worse and are much closer to actual fascism — and away from an OK-ish little electronics manufacturer that is doing quite all right for the narrow purpose that they have?