So your argument for x11 is Wayland doesn’t work on crts and doesn’t let all programs access clipboard and kb events freely? If you are using a cat, then use x11, thats why it’s an option
Except it’s not an option if we want to use our normal DE.
(Also, CRT monitors are normal monitors. And they’re actually pretty great. OLED-level blacks, even! Just gotta watch your refresh rate, 60 Hz flickers like crazy if you use a light theme. 70 is fine for us.)
Cinnamon is likely to be alright and supporting X for a good while.
Also like… “but that’s not STANDARD!” is literally my entire point. That’s the problem. “That’s not a standard use case” being used as basically a “go fuck yourself, you don’t matter”. (You might not be implying this, but a lot of people sure do.)
Linux should support the weird stuff too. “That’s not a standard use case” could be used to reject just about anything you don’t like, even, say, custom fonts.
That is all fair, and I’m sure there’s other issues with Wayland, but really all my issuis come down to xwayland problems. I didn’t realize KDE was dropping x11 though, that is unfortunate
@p4rzivalrp2@forestbeasts its getting harder and harder to do what linux was always good at doing when i first started using it: reviving old hardware. yeah maybe you can still run a cli install of linux pn whatever but its like the days of fluxbox, openbox etc are gone. how long has it been since openbox was actively maintained? i stopped checking years ago.
@p4rzivalrp2 you can still install them but openbox hasnt had an update since 2015. the repo isnt archived but main hasnt been touched in 12 years. fluxbox hasnt had an update in just as long strangely but there is recent activity to the the repo so maybe its still alive. also maybe they are so simple and stable that they haven’t required any updates but what will happen in the future? how long until theyre not even possible to install?
So your argument for x11 is Wayland doesn’t work on crts and doesn’t let all programs access clipboard and kb events freely? If you are using a cat, then use x11, thats why it’s an option
Except it’s not an option if we want to use our normal DE.
(Also, CRT monitors are normal monitors. And they’re actually pretty great. OLED-level blacks, even! Just gotta watch your refresh rate, 60 Hz flickers like crazy if you use a light theme. 70 is fine for us.)
I know CRTs are good(ish), but there not a standard use case. Also most mainstream des support both x11 and wayland
Sure they support both X11 and Wayland for NOW.
KDE soon won’t, and that’s the one we use.
Gnome I got no clue, we don’t use Gnome.
Cinnamon is likely to be alright and supporting X for a good while.
Also like… “but that’s not STANDARD!” is literally my entire point. That’s the problem. “That’s not a standard use case” being used as basically a “go fuck yourself, you don’t matter”. (You might not be implying this, but a lot of people sure do.)
Linux should support the weird stuff too. “That’s not a standard use case” could be used to reject just about anything you don’t like, even, say, custom fonts.
That is all fair, and I’m sure there’s other issues with Wayland, but really all my issuis come down to xwayland problems. I didn’t realize KDE was dropping x11 though, that is unfortunate
@p4rzivalrp2 @forestbeasts its getting harder and harder to do what linux was always good at doing when i first started using it: reviving old hardware. yeah maybe you can still run a cli install of linux pn whatever but its like the days of fluxbox, openbox etc are gone. how long has it been since openbox was actively maintained? i stopped checking years ago.
I mean my cs teacher still uses fluxbox, but on the other hand that’s how I know what it is, so you might be somewhat right
@p4rzivalrp2 you can still install them but openbox hasnt had an update since 2015. the repo isnt archived but main hasnt been touched in 12 years. fluxbox hasnt had an update in just as long strangely but there is recent activity to the the repo so maybe its still alive. also maybe they are so simple and stable that they haven’t required any updates but what will happen in the future? how long until theyre not even possible to install?
Yeah that is very weird, idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯