And if you read the article it doesn’t say anything about drones.
The best i can find out is the crash is still under investigation.
I worked for the army for 30 years as a civilian at redstone arsenal where the U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command headquarters are. They are responsible for the apache. I never worked on the copters, but brushed shoulder with the people who did. The statements made so far are a classic case of the president wants it to be an attack, so let’s agree without lying.
But there have been officials who stated it to news sources.
Anyway. That’s not the point. The point is that you ruled out the possibility that it was a drone. And speaking in absolutes is a very good way to make sure you’re wrong.
I understand that people who work on the apache think it’s invincible, but it isn’t. That’s the mistake the US keeps making. They don’t understand asymmetric warfare. They have proven this time and time again, from Vietnam to now. In the current day and age, the apache is an archaic machine. It may be high-tech and have awesome firepower, but that’s the thing with asymmetric warfare: that’s not a strength, but a weakness. The US has been burning through their weapons and funds at an unsustainable rate.
On top of asymmetric warfare, cheap drone warfare has completely changed the battlefield. All bets are off. What has been true in the last 30 years is not true anymore. There are kill zones in Ukraine 20 miles wide and the Ukrainian army are using drones to kill roughly 30k Russian soldiers per month at the moment.
We’ve already seen the footage of a Ukrainian FPV drone take down a Russian attack helicopter… what makes you think it couldn’t happen to an American one? Why couldn’t one slip through an apache’s defenses?
And everyone knows the US government has been up to some morally bankrupt actions to justify their wars, but that is not what I was arguing. That being said, that part also doesn’t really make sense. Trump isn’t looking for escalation. His popularity is decreasing rapidly due to this war, even among his constituents and when the prices at the pump really go up this summer he knows he’s really screwed. He’s got the midterms coming up and all he wants is to make a deal as soon as possible. The only one who really wants to keep going is Netanyahu.
“But there have been officials who stated it to news sources.”
And those statements have been made anonymously and without credible evidence to back up the statements. It’s just spin.
Over my career I saw the truth on the ground verses the stuff that came out the mouths of the “officials” they rarely if ever matched reality. Especially when it was a politician talking.
As for the rest of your statement, there is just so much wrong in it I’m not going to spend hours swatting it all down. I’ve made a valid effort to provide some reality to the news spin. I decline to comment further.
You just don’t have a clue what you’re talking about so don’t even know where to begin. You haven’t got an iota of knowledge or understanding about geopolitics and it shows.
What I told you is real, and no amount of “nah-uh!” is going to change that.
“There is no way” is a pretty bold statement, especially when the official reports indicate that it was in fact a shahed drone that hit it.
Sensors can fail, humans can fail, equipment can malfunction. It is very possible that the drone made it past the helicopter’s defensive systems.
Whether or not it was an accident or a deliberate attack is open for debate.
USCENTCOM has never officially said the copter was hit by a drone.
the closes they came is this.
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PUBLIC-RELEASES/Article/4512968/us-completes-strikes-in-response-to-irans-attack-on-apache/
And if you read the article it doesn’t say anything about drones.
The best i can find out is the crash is still under investigation.
I worked for the army for 30 years as a civilian at redstone arsenal where the U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command headquarters are. They are responsible for the apache. I never worked on the copters, but brushed shoulder with the people who did. The statements made so far are a classic case of the president wants it to be an attack, so let’s agree without lying.
Also i gave you two links to previous episodes like this. Did you read them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_(1890)#Sinking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident#Second_alleged_attack
But there have been officials who stated it to news sources.
Anyway. That’s not the point. The point is that you ruled out the possibility that it was a drone. And speaking in absolutes is a very good way to make sure you’re wrong.
I understand that people who work on the apache think it’s invincible, but it isn’t. That’s the mistake the US keeps making. They don’t understand asymmetric warfare. They have proven this time and time again, from Vietnam to now. In the current day and age, the apache is an archaic machine. It may be high-tech and have awesome firepower, but that’s the thing with asymmetric warfare: that’s not a strength, but a weakness. The US has been burning through their weapons and funds at an unsustainable rate.
On top of asymmetric warfare, cheap drone warfare has completely changed the battlefield. All bets are off. What has been true in the last 30 years is not true anymore. There are kill zones in Ukraine 20 miles wide and the Ukrainian army are using drones to kill roughly 30k Russian soldiers per month at the moment.
We’ve already seen the footage of a Ukrainian FPV drone take down a Russian attack helicopter… what makes you think it couldn’t happen to an American one? Why couldn’t one slip through an apache’s defenses?
And everyone knows the US government has been up to some morally bankrupt actions to justify their wars, but that is not what I was arguing. That being said, that part also doesn’t really make sense. Trump isn’t looking for escalation. His popularity is decreasing rapidly due to this war, even among his constituents and when the prices at the pump really go up this summer he knows he’s really screwed. He’s got the midterms coming up and all he wants is to make a deal as soon as possible. The only one who really wants to keep going is Netanyahu.
“But there have been officials who stated it to news sources.”
And those statements have been made anonymously and without credible evidence to back up the statements. It’s just spin.
Over my career I saw the truth on the ground verses the stuff that came out the mouths of the “officials” they rarely if ever matched reality. Especially when it was a politician talking.
As for the rest of your statement, there is just so much wrong in it I’m not going to spend hours swatting it all down. I’ve made a valid effort to provide some reality to the news spin. I decline to comment further.
Ahh yes, just “so much wrong”…
You just don’t have a clue what you’re talking about so don’t even know where to begin. You haven’t got an iota of knowledge or understanding about geopolitics and it shows.
What I told you is real, and no amount of “nah-uh!” is going to change that.
Thanks for wasting my time.