• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    At least here in the US, a person’s zip code of birth is a huge indicator of their success and life trajectory. That, to me, would seem to indicate that free will is bullshit.

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      3 hours ago

      Not sure that’s true. Free will doesn’t mean anyone can do anything. It means any decisions a person makes are truly decided by them, and they actually could have made a different decision.

      People who don’t believe in free will believe that the physical laws of the universe are deterministic. That leptons and quarks behave in ways determined by their state. That this is true even inside your brain, and thus decisions you make are actually just the result of particles interacting. Even quantum effects, though random, are not consciously decided and thus do not affect free will.

      The circumstances you are in change the inputs to those equations, but they don’t change the fact that the equations exist.

    • eru@mouse.chitanda.moe
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      4 hours ago

      why would that be a problem for free will?

      all it shows is that we cannot freely choose everything, it does not prove that we are not ever able to freely choose.

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      7 hours ago

      Hmm almost as if free will isn’t some magical ability to remove yourself from any disadvantageous situation, but a fundamental liberty to choose how you act in response to said situation and see in it a metaphysical meaning that transcends cultural ideas like success? Damn, wouldn’t that be crazy. If only that was true, could you imagine?