I came from Reddit where they definitely did matter. They don’t seem to hold any real weight here. Is this true for some or all instances? If they don’t matter, what are they for?

  • Skavau@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    3 hours ago

    Yes, so you mean people can simply import other users block-lists. That’s the only difference. But if someone new arrived, and didn’t know of one - they would be met with a wall of spam and abuse.

    Moreover, I’d also add that websites have a legal requirement to remove child porn.

    Your system just converts communities into hashtags. It’s in opposition to what this site is.

    • presoak@lazysoci.al
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 hours ago

      We’d have a default list available, optionally pre-installed. But this is obvious.

      Yes, That is addressable via this mechanism as well.

      It’s simply another way of doing a forum. A better way.

      • Skavau@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 hours ago

        No, because the child porn would still be present. Not good enough legally.

        There is no support for your ideas on the fediverse.

        • presoak@lazysoci.al
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 hours ago

          Your naysaying is repetitive and insubstantial. Sorry.

          Perhaps focus on a single argument and back it up a bit more.

          • Skavau@piefed.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 hours ago

            That is my argument. The Fediverse has to remove child-porn. Simply allowing to be filtered out by users isn’t good enough legally.

            Moreover, the system you call for would degrade communities as merely being twitter hashtags. That’s simply not how this is supposed to work.

            • presoak@lazysoci.al
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 hours ago

              If the cp is blacklisted then it will be removed from the listverse.

              “It would be bad” and “it isn’t how it’s supposed to work” are not substantial arguments.

              • Skavau@piefed.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                3 hours ago

                No, it would still be present if someone wasn’t running any blocklists.

                “It would be bad” and “it isn’t how it’s supposed to work” are not substantial arguments.

                Yes, they are. The Fediverse is ultimately shaped by what the users want. If most of the users don’t want to lose the moderation tools because they find the outcome undesirable, then it won’t happen.

                You are in a very small minority.

                • presoak@lazysoci.al
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  3 hours ago

                  It would be present on a guy’s computer and the network would block any communication with him. I think that’s as good as it gets.

                  I think you’re dead wrong there. I think that everybody hates being told what they can say and who they can talk to.

                  • Skavau@piefed.social
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    3 hours ago

                    It would be present on a guy’s computer and the network would block any communication with him. I think that’s as good as it gets.

                    No, from the way you have described it - people who have enabled a blocklist that block his account would block any communication with him and thus blacklist his child porn. But anyone else who enters the website new without any blocks up would see it.

                    I think you’re dead wrong there. I think that everybody hates being told what they can say and who they can talk to.

                    This debate has come up many times before on the fediverse. Most people do not support the site being turned into 4chan.

                    Many instances are run relatively stricter than other instances (such as beehaw and lemmy.blahaj) and specific communities require higher levels of moderation maintain a level of quality (particular subreddits not present on the fediverse function like this right now such as askscience, askhistorians etc).