You don’t even realize you are further proving my point and you’re coming across as even more fake.

I started respectfully, just as at first, you appeared to be “just another leftist with some different opinion”. If you knew how to read, you’d have noticed that my change in tone came in the “edit” of my reply.

In reality, you’re just another liberal apologists that is fine with genocide… And I am absolutely NOT going to be respectful to Zionists once your true colors are evident.

Your “point” was moot to begin with because you’re not leftist. But you are a fake ally, ready to backstab minorities and allow genocides to happen

on the Left we

Where on “the Left”?

no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person

Maybe liberals don’t. And I wouldn’t consider them to be on the left.

Why would you want to police emotions or feelings of others?

Arguments on the other hand should be based on logic. And as long as you’re respectful, one can disagree.

Your attempt at making all these different scenarios look the same, makes me question your position and honesty in this conversation

The Right doesn’t really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people

This is just purely false and inaccurate. There are plenty of people who agree with far right talking points

Edit: why was I not surprised to see that you are one of those “leftist” (read liberal) who is fine with the Palestinian genocide as long as it’s your team that carries out the genocide?

THAT is why we have to be careful. Precisely because of fake allies like you, who say they are on your side while condoning a genocide behind your back.

But sure, talk again of “virtuosity tests” and the “Left”…

Um, no? Stop centering your political compass around a new center, where to you current leftists look rightwing according to it

Your reply shows to me that you are unfamiliar with socialism/communism and don’t entirely know what you’re referring to.

I’m not pushing anything towards the left, the left has always been to the…well, left.

The only thing that has swifted is the fact that a lot more people now are unfamiliar with what constitute as “left” and their perception of what is “extreme left” has changed because of their unfamiliarity with it. And because of right wing propaganda scare tactics like “everything I don’t like is communist!”

The compass has never moved. Only your perception of it has

“Why don’t you communists try to be more conservative?”

That’s a wild suggestion that I’ve never seen before lol

I might sound like an asshole and I apologize in advance if I do because it’s not about you specifically in this case but, while I’m glad that you had people in your life who were willing to consistently talk to you and help you rethink some things, the problem to me is exactly that like you said, it does not happen overnight. At all. It actually takes a long time and a lot of trust between people to achieve what was achieved with you in this particular case. And while I am certainly glad to have another ally, time is a luxury in some cases.

Using the case of Palestine, a Palestinian village getting bombed because so many liberals simply don’t value their lives enough and don’t pressure their officials to do something about it, doesn’t have the luxury of time.

As another example, the collapse of our ecosystem is happening every single day. And while we let companies continue business as usual, those liberals think that it’s a topic that can always be postponed. But it can’t. And now we’re past the point of no return and yet we waste time in pointless conversations trying to explain to people that what is happening, is happening.

If some people on the left are willing to and have the time to take liberals by the hand and explain to them things they could look up for themselves if only they weren’t so dismissive and disinterested in the suffering of others, great. They surely have my thank. But I don’t think as a general strategy makes sense to wait for such liberal people to suddenly decide that importent issues are finally important enough to them to be acted upon.

Those issues have always been important and worthwhile. Their previous lack of interest about such topics is their own failure.

You’re talking as if for over a year (cough decades cough) Palestinian activists hadn’t tried talking to the liberals about their party’s unshakable support for the ongoing genocide.

What’s left to say to people who are “going to pick the lesser of 2 evils” even when you showed them that their pick is still funding the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian people?

We should talk to general leftist people. Not the liberals. They still value money and profit over people