You have to be some special kind of person to be Zionist in 2025 and before you think this is a compliment it’s certainly not.

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Couldn’t have said it better.

We’re talking about a very hypothetical scenario of what Palestinians allegedly would like to do if they had the chance vs the forced expulsion, mass starvation, and mass annihilation of Palestinians that is currently happening in reality, but somehow we should care more about the genociders feeling unsafe because of our opinions and alleged intentions?

If we can’t say our opinion because the mods have to remove content or face the threat of being raided by some gestapo squads for saying what’s perfectly normal to say outside of Germany I think we should honestly just move. Then we could speak our minds and the mods / server hosts can sleep at night. We don’t need to have the same opinion, but no one should get anyone in trouble for saying theirs. I think this is a huge advantage of the fediverse and we could just use that to make everyone’s life easier.

Understandable that you don’t want any police raids and I sincerely hope that this is not representative of your personal opinion but rather a hint for us to maybe host this community somewhere else where free speech is possible without putting the server hosts in danger of being raided by some gestapo squad. It would be great if it’d be possible to migrate whole communities to another instance.

Is this really coming to Lemmy now? Jesus, wtf

The point is, this fetish for "migrants“ is first of all inhumane, and besides that also expensive and inefficient. It’s absolute brainrot no matter the amount of mental gymnastics politicians, media, and people like you are doing to justify it.

What’s there to watch? They’re a Nazi quasi dictatorship and you can watch in real time how the political elites there radicalize more and more. Will we express our concerns when they lock up LGBTQ+ people? Will we strongly condemn when they’re being put in concentration camps because Orban realized you can get away with anything nowadays?

We’re way past the time where we should just watch, idk what to do exactly honestly but a first step could be to freeze all assets and block their vetoing rights. I don’t want to seem them leave the EU because of all the exile and anti-Orban Hungarians who’d be punished similarly to what happened with brexit though.

Yeah I guess we’re gonna get bombarded more with Chinese propaganda soon as they’ll try to replace the US as our new daddy

Yeah definitely my fault that the mushroom croquettes come with surprise bacon on top or that a starter I had no idea I would be getting had tuna in it /s

Not my country so I am mostly laughing about it, but if I’d be Spanish and vegetarian I’d start riots lol

Replace France with Germany and you have a list of places where I consider the food terrible as well :D

My main issue is just that it’s greasy food with barely any spices & very potato heavy, I just don’t like Spanish food and I don’t understand why some people are loving it so much. I’m not judging, it’s just not what I like. Apart from that as I said, Spain is together with Greece my favorite countries in the world.

Idk with food it’s like, everyone has their own opinion, some people say pizza sucks and I’ll never understand that, but here we are.

Just out of curiosity: what do you imagine to be more “upfront” than saying "I am vegetarian“? Why would this be a secret or something that would devalue my opinion? I know how meat tastes and I like a good steak or fried/bbq chicken, I just decided not to eat that anymore.

Yes! North and south, east and west, love Spain. But seriously, even if you order something veggie like croquettes they’ll just put bacon on top of that lol. Or like you have dinner and they just casually bring you a tapa that has tuna in it without even asking if you’re eating fish. Like, the concept of not eating certain stuff seems alien to many places there.

I have no idea what people cook at home but your typical Spanish restaurant e.g. in Madrid or the south is tortilla de patatas, patatas bravas, croquettes (ideally with ham), lots of ham in general, some other potato stuff. Some seafood. I’m vegetarian and I just suffer there :D

Great! Maybe Spanish food will stop being all potatoes and pork finally.

Nothing but love for Spain, together with Greece my favorite country in the world, but Spanish food sucks lol. I know very subjective and all, but I just don’t get how you can be surrounded by France and Morocco and then still not use any spices and stuff :D

Yeah no fuck off

I think your view is a bit optimistic - centers in North Africa won’t fix the systemic issues with our border policies. Frontex absolutely does send people back to places where they face torture and sexual violence. They’ve been repeatedly documented performing illegal pushbacks in the Mediterranean and the Aegean.

They’re actively pushing people back to Libya where EU-funded detention centers are effectively torture camps. And Frontex continues illegal pushbacks regularly despite court rulings against them.

There’s extensive evidence of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/03/libya-migrants-tripoli-refugees-detention-camps

I understand wanting to believe we’re better than this, but the facts don’t support it. The “we’re decent people making mistakes” narrative is comforting but doesn’t hold up when you look at the policies we collectively support through our governments.

About the “high value migrants” thing - that’s exactly my point about how our immigration system works. We welcome people based on economic utility, not humanitarian need. We’ll roll out the red carpet for an American engineer but let Syrian doctors drown.

And this economic utility approach is still fragile - when the economy turns, even the “high value” migrants become scapegoats. Just look at how Brexit campaigns targeted Polish doctors and Eastern European professionals despite their contributions.

Your argument is a perfect example of how we sanitize our migration policies with euphemisms. “Border control” sounds neutral and reasonable, but what we’re really talking about is active policies that regularly result in preventable deaths.

Frontex doesn’t just “control borders” - they push migrants back to Libya where they face documented torture and sexual violence. They don’t accidentally fail to rescue people - they actively avoid responding to distress calls. These aren’t unintended consequences; they’re the designed outcome of policies meant to create a “deterrent effect.”

Whether it’s technically “racism” by your narrow definition is beside the point. The reality is we apply completely different standards to different groups of migrants. When Ukrainians needed refuge, we quickly created special protection status. When Syrian doctors needed refuge, we let their families drown in the Mediterranean. The difference isn’t “HOW they come” - it’s who they are and where they’re from.

Your claim that “we don’t care about the color of their skin” is contradicted by statements from European politicians who explicitly advocated for Ukrainian refugees because they were “European” with “blue eyes and blonde hair” (as multiple news anchors and politicians stated in 2022).

And yes, a “few politicians” absolutely represent broader European attitudes when they’re leading political parties and setting policy. Friedrich Merz isn’t some random person - he’s likely to be Germany’s next Chancellor. When these politicians face no meaningful backlash for their statements, it reveals societal acceptance.

The problem isn’t that we want functioning migration systems. It’s that we’ve created a two-tier system where people from certain regions are forced into deadly routes and then blamed for taking them, while we pretend this isn’t connected to who they are.

No argument here, I think humans are being racist/xenophobic in general. The best example imo is the hatred against Syrian refugees in Libanon and Jordan, where people even speak the same language, have the same food and culture, and mostly have the same religion.

I guess I would just wish that we would actually live those “Western values” we keep talking about. And I definitely wish the best for all those wanting to flee from Trump, I would consider that too if I’d be in the US.

Our “capacity to help” is inconsistent and conditional. Yes, there was initial support for Ukrainian refugees, but as I mentioned in another post politicians like Friedrich Merz (likely next German Chancellor) soon accused them of “social welfare tourism.” Same happened e.g. in Poland. The welcome narrative quickly gave way to scapegoating.

This pattern happens repeatedly. We initially welcome groups based on perceived usefulness or cultural similarity, then turn on them when convenient. Polish workers in the UK went from being praised as hardworking to being blamed for “stealing jobs” and straining services.

You’re assuming Americans would be “more easily accepted” because they’re “wealthy and educated,” but this ignores how xenophobia operates. Brexit campaigners didn’t distinguish between Polish doctors and laborers - they lumped all migrants together.

Even well-off migrants become targets during economic downturns. Look at how Romanian doctors and nurses in the UK were treated during Brexit despite filling critical NHS shortages. Or how German refugees after WWII faced hostility from other Germans.

Our immigration policies aren’t based on humanitarian concerns but on economic utility and cultural anxieties. When politicians need scapegoats, they’ll target any migrant group regardless of their contributions.

The Americans who’d face the most persecution under Trump are often the same ones who’d face discrimination here - LGBTQ+ people, religious minorities, and people of color. The idea that we’d somehow treat them better than other migrants ignores Europe’s deep-seated xenophobia.

With Ukrainians, we initially saw a wave of genuine support that I was happy about. But within months, politicians started using them as scapegoats. Friedrich Merz, likely the next German Chancellor, accused Ukrainians of “social welfare tourism” - as if they were fleeing bombs for German benefits. Similar rhetoric emerged in Poland and Hungary, where the initial “these are Europeans like us” sentiment gave way to the same xenophobic patterns.

The point is - even that initial acceptance runs out eventually. No matter who you are, we will eventually turn against you given enough time. Americans coming now might be welcomed as “expats” with valuable skills, but as soon as there’s another economic downturn or political shift, they’ll be “immigrants taking our jobs” or “ruining our housing market.”