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flere-imsaho 🇺🇦 (@mawhrin@circumstances.run)
circumstances.runfolks, i'm sorry to inform you that justin m. keyes, the core dev of @neovim@hachyderm.io absolutely *hated* the idea of removing an endorsement by a bona fide fascist from the main webpage of the neovim editor.
what happened: i've opened a ticket asking to remove the heinemeier hansson quote; keyes responded to the ticket a few times, first with simply “don't care”, then [with more angry elucidation](https://social.orva.fi/@orva/statuses/01M11PG7BASVGM95BM4A2ZAE0S), then closed as not planned, and finally the issue was removed altogether.
unfortunately i have only mail receipts and a screenshot, both missing the rage part of the episode.
there's [another open *undeleted* issue though](https://github.com/neovim/neovim.github.io/issues/501) which presents the attitude of keyes quite well.
added: another core maintainer of neovim, tj devries, is scheduled to speak during dhh's omacon. well.
and thanks to a friendly dm, i can re-create the text of my ticket here:
> hey
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> on the main neovim's page you quote an impression/endorsement from David Heinemeier Hansson, a [white supremacionist](https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64) who recently [called for ethnic cleansing of immigrants; specifically the roma people](https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a).
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> if you could reconsider quoting an endorsement from a bona fide fascist on your website, that would be very helpful. (please do note that duke's university [decided to drop basecamp in 2023](https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/) specifically because of heinemeier hansson's white supremacist antics.)
Was there any advantage to neovim other that nice color defaults and Lua capability inclusion?
Maybe I’ll go back to Vim. I screwed up and chose all the fascist materials for my last build. Hyprland, now Neovim. Is there a site to show compositors, front ends, and Linux packages with Nazi tags before we start using them?
Treesitter is a fantastic feature to have. Easy, reliable access to ASTs opens up lots of possibilities. Neovim didn’t invent Treesitter, and it’s not the only editor that uses it. But I think it does have the most Treesitter-based functionality in its ecosystem.
Wait is hyrpland made by a bigot too?
It’s getting exclusive sponsorship from DHH
Calling it “nazi” just because the maintainer doesn’t remove an endorsement that let’s be real most people probably miss anyways… cmon zoom out a bit. Not saying it’s a good look but it’s really watering the word down.
If it was me I would have removed the endorsement. Who cares if it segregates the communuty? I’d feel better if billionaire puppets were excluded and not filling FOSS with blobs and surveillance crap, or whatever other hardships they present to our species this week.
I think he just doesn’t like being bossed around with demands on issues he doesn’t feel are “important”. So he refused to do it out of principle. Of course then people like vultures started attacking him so he doubled down, can’t blame him.
But it seems like he changed his mind and removed it after all. The change got merged.
Nobody attacked him. He doubled down first and then cried victim when people pointed out how suspicious his doubling-down looked.
No one attacked him. People simply pointed it out and he was immediately obstinate and defensive.
It’s shitty behavior, through and through.
I thought we were talking about an endorsement. What change got merged? Sorry I just didn’t follow that part.
I guess the big question is: Should Hyprland users expect enshittification and should we start finding another compositor?
the endorsement was on their website
the change that got merged was the one that replaced that endorsement with another one
Ahhhhh. I am really satisfied with Hyprland and don’t want to switch. I’ll just keep it for now.
If there’s a table with 9 Nazis, and you choose to go and sit and eat with them, then there’s a table with 10 Nazis.
I tend to agree, I also don’t think its a useful term when thrown against many people because they might hold this kind of specific view but be progressive in many other ways, it means they can dismiss the term because they understand themselves to not be it, like when the right wing try to label leftists and progressives as “fascist”, its just not accurate.
So what I prefer is to point out something that is harder to deny, I like to point out how happy they are to hold a view or position that is held by or promoted by fascists/nazis etc. Saying to somebody that they “side/agree with the fascists” on a view or policy seems to elicit a much more emotional reaction as its not something they can easily deny and they have to confront.