cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/70552672
But 44% of the vote for a party that is officially classified as “extreme right” is not normal. It is a black day for European democracy, even if it occurs in a small east German state.
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While Saxony-Anhalt (and Germany itself) may have dodged the worst outcome because the AfD won’t automatically fulfil its ambition of forming the first far-right state government in Germany since the Nazi era, there is no reason to assume it will be so lucky at the next election. Neither will other German states, such as Mecklenburg-Vorpommern in two weeks’ time, or other countries, such as France next year. No country is immune from the far right and, perhaps even more worryingly, no far-right party or politician is too extreme for political success (as the US has shown). We must therefore update our analyses and strategies.
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Gonna have to ask you to remove that wsws link and any info sourced from it since it is a highly biased and highly unreliable source.
This came to my attention because you reported a totally legit comment calling you out of the wsws link and you proceeded to use “low quality accusations” as a reason for the report. Don’t abuse reports hoping to silence people who criticize you.
What is problematic or biased about the quote I provided?
Why are you accusing me of abusing reports to silence people who criticize me? Saying I am “abuse reports” about a single report you don’t feel is valid doesn’t feel fair to me.
Sure I will remove the “highly unreliable source”.
I am accusing you of abusing the report system because your report was unreasonable and clearly had the intent to silence someone. This is not .ml where admins silence people over petty disagreements.
PS: The community ban wasn’t me.
Last summer around this same time I was having a conversation with a German fellow, and I mentioned Afd gaining support and he shrugged it off calling them a fringe movement that have no real support, nothing to be alarmed over.
Man, one year later and they are winning, crazy times.
AfD is winning just as Germany attempts to rebuild its armed forces. Will CDU create a death machine and promptly hand the keys over to neo-Nazis?
Billionaire money at work. Tax their wealth, then they can’t buy up propaganda machines to influence the population. Wherever you are, vote for a #WealthTax or #TaxWealthNotWork . If you don’t, they will only keep amassing wealth and power that leads to results like these.
More like oligarch money
What I’m really struggling to understand is the logic behind voting for such parties. The existing parties have fucked you over due to lobbying from billionaires. What’s the solution? Vote for the most billionaire friendly party there is
Morons can easily be convinced that their lives are at risk for racist and xenofobic reasons.
This is why we can’t let the “moderate” right ruin education, it leads to shit like this.
Abandon logic. Think emotion. You will not succeed when viewing politics through the lens of logic and reason. Voters no longer trust polished candidates with well-reasoned and detailed policy proposals. It’s so easy to write that crap with corporate consultants and then ignore it as soon as the polician wins.
Aside from the proud and overt racists, people don’t vote for right wing parties based on policy analysis. Maybe only 5% of the voters actually vote this way. You probably don’t vote this way. Very few voters ignore party and select candidates based on a detail analysis of their policy proposals. Most vote based on either party affiliation or vibes/emotion.
Voting for right wing populist parties is an act of rage, the political equivalent of flipping the table over. Voters have come to resent the empty promises of neoliberals, and at this point they deliberately vote for whichever crazy candidate will piss off the respectable upper crust of society the most.
Stop analyzing politics through logic, reason, and who has the objectively best policies. In the current environment, policies are seen as worthless. What matters are vibes and emotions.
When you tell someone voting for a right wing populist, “but this guy supports policies that will hurt you!” They think, “I’ve voted for the logical and right choice my entire life. I’ve voted based on policies again and again. I’ve been betrayed again and again. At this point I’m just going to vote for whoever seems to most anger the media, the corporate owned, intellectuals, and all other social elites.”
This is also why there was a lot of overlap between Trump and Mamdani voters. A fair number of voters will at this point just vote for anyone who seems to most anger the corporate media.
Question is if the outrage is organic or bred and nurtured by online sources. Like Russia, China and others. Most people in Germany have it better than ever before. Especially in the eastern states.
They’ll tell you Germany is failing and everything is going to shit but it never actually comes from their personal lives but from hearsay and their gut feeling.
As an American I can say the logic is simple. I vote for dem last time nothing change. I vote for GOP this time. Its dumb but thats the logic.
Something’s changed I guess ^^
What’s the solution? Vote for the most billionaire friendly party there is
That’d actually be the FDP. Who did lose more than half its voters this time.
The FDP was the economy and business first party. The AfD is a party for the extremely rich. That’s a difference.
In what way are the AfD’s policies more advantageous for the extremely rich than the FDP’s?
It’s the other way around. As I said, the FDP was more for giving capitalists in general an advantage, therefore they were often called the dentists’ party. The AfD on the other hand doesn’t give a fuck about keeping the economy afloat as long as some selected oligrachs can still make a profit out of it. An example is the complete privatization of the medical system.
Policy has nothing to do with politics in the historical era you live in. Accept this if you want to understand your world.
“Democracy basically means: Government by the people, of the people, for the people… but the people are retarded.” ― Osho
Yea democracy is literally politicians preying in the dumbest people for votes
Trying to paint “Moderate parties have moved to the right, thus disappointing voters so much with their right-wing politics, that those voters now feel the need to vote far-right instead” as some kind of sane decision will never be not comically stupid.
I don’t think it comical. In fact, I find the last paragraph of the post absolutely chilling in its attempt to shift the blame.
Billionnaires must be hung, drawn and quartered
That would be English law. I think the closest German equivalent would be ripped apart with red-hot pliers and broken one the wheel. Not that I would ever suggest that this should be reintroduced.
I guess people who can not start normal life because of cost of living are so frustrated that they vote for them… Apartament prices are part of that I guess. Maybe lets support right-to-housing.eu as a solution for it…?
The ruling class always makes the same fatal mistake of believing people who condescendingly have been denied meaningful help for decades will act reactionally when provided the alternative vision and opportunity to burn it all down, damn the consequences.
I don’t know if it is irrational in a way though it usually ends up being a self immolating act for the desperate and poor, we are talking about human beings here, agency and free will are burning fires within us and given enough abuse that fire can be twisted into a rage that just wants everything to break around us in an enactment of a fantasy of eruptive “justice” coming to the people and systems that inflicted that suffering and denial of agency. When you corner an animal, instinct kicks in, we are no different.
This is why neoliberalism leads to a collapse into fascism, it locks society into a place where help is condescendingly denied continually while the narrative that neoliberalism is superior to conservatism (which is true) is used to beat any criticism from the left into submission.
The World Socialist Website is a Chinese propaganda site that support the Chinese Communist Party, including its aggression against Taiwan. Some may say that it fits to the topic as the Chinese government support Germany’s far-right as we know, but this wsws/org is not a reliable source of information. This is a pure propaganda source.
What does this have to do with the Guardian?
The comment refers to OP’s link in the body of the text (there is a link to a wsws./org page).
Ok. Could you please provide proof of your claim?
Tardigrade is right. I just went to the site and searched “Taiwan” in the search bar and read a few articles. Huge pro China slant.
What kind of trolling is this? Go to the site and read the narratives there.
Ah, the typical “do you own research” crap that conspiracy theorists spout.
“the earth is a plate!”
could you please provide proof?
“find it yourself! It’s all around you!”
🙄
Wow, massive proof.
Not OG commenter, but the Wikipedia page doesn’t list any link to the CCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Socialist_Web_Site
For what it’s worth
Stop spamming my posts with the same lazy comment.
This is not spam, this is true.
Why would you link to and cite this equally obscure and untrustworthy site?
Insert DiCaprio pointing meme.
But twice.
