I think it was a fairly reasonable conclusion from your response to this comment:
That isn’t really what people are saying. It’s more that voting cannot bring about socialism, while revolution can, and that therefore treating voting as the primary political outlet for people hampers the organizing efforts needed for revolution.
If you can explain your views better, and what you believe socialists believe, then it would be easier for me to know. I’m sorry if I misrepresented your views, but you aren’t doing your views any favors with the endless strawmen.
I never lied about your position. I genuinely responded to what I believed your position to be, and invited you to correct me. I will not lie about my own position just to satisfy you.
I never once said your claim was “don’t organize, only vote.” I said you claimed voting to be more effective than organizing in the immediate moment. I asked for you to explain this, then you called me a liar.
I am specifically referring to building up a disciplined, educated, united working-class party that can develop cadre, struggle alongside the rest of the working class in union struggles, tenant struggles, political struggles, and educate the masses and agitate among them to connect these struggles to the struggle of the working class itself against capitalists and capitalism itself. No less than this. The goal is to create an organization that is correct, capable, and trusted by the rest of the working classes in the event of crisis, to where the struggle can be taken from the crisis to a revolution to establish socialism.
Each aspect of party-building and labor struggles is a part of organizing. The civil rights movement was won through organizing and struggle, as an example.
Don’t act so pompous, it’s on you to selectively ignore points being made and misinterpreting the rest. You’re not owed any apologies for acting like an ass.
I have never, once, at all, ever held that position, nor have I said such a thing. I have always been a proponent of organizing and voting.
Don’t you dare put those words in my mouth.
Can you please explain what these “more immediate political concerns” are that voting is more important for than organizing?
I think I’d rather have an apology first if I’m going to do you any favors. You just spat out a lie about me and you’re going to brush it off?
I think it was a fairly reasonable conclusion from your response to this comment:
If you can explain your views better, and what you believe socialists believe, then it would be easier for me to know. I’m sorry if I misrepresented your views, but you aren’t doing your views any favors with the endless strawmen.
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I never lied about your position. I genuinely responded to what I believed your position to be, and invited you to correct me. I will not lie about my own position just to satisfy you.
I never once said your claim was “don’t organize, only vote.” I said you claimed voting to be more effective than organizing in the immediate moment. I asked for you to explain this, then you called me a liar.
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I am specifically referring to building up a disciplined, educated, united working-class party that can develop cadre, struggle alongside the rest of the working class in union struggles, tenant struggles, political struggles, and educate the masses and agitate among them to connect these struggles to the struggle of the working class itself against capitalists and capitalism itself. No less than this. The goal is to create an organization that is correct, capable, and trusted by the rest of the working classes in the event of crisis, to where the struggle can be taken from the crisis to a revolution to establish socialism.
Each aspect of party-building and labor struggles is a part of organizing. The civil rights movement was won through organizing and struggle, as an example.
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Don’t act so pompous, it’s on you to selectively ignore points being made and misinterpreting the rest. You’re not owed any apologies for acting like an ass.
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This is just projection lol