Swede here, absolutely not, around 2015 or so we got hit by the mass migration wave, there were plenty of documented cases of migrants throwing away or destroying their documents to try and claim refugee status when they clearly didn’t need it, thus taking spots from actual refugees.
There were also real refugees who did this, they registered in Greece, Spain, Italy or other southern Europe country, but then they kept going north, trying to get to a better country. At that point you are no longer a refugee, but an economic migrant.
I 100% oppose these migrants.
The dumb thing is that the EU would distribute refugees throughout the union, just because you registered in Spain, didn’t mean you had to stay there, you would stay for an interim period and be distributed to your proper host country.
I have zero issues with migrants/refugees who come the legal route, learn the language, work, and integrate in the culture.
Why did the immigrants feel the need to do that?
If you’re just going to say greed then I can’t take you seriously, since greed would have moved them far sooner.
Maybe there are problems with the immigration system
If you are just going to reject one of the biggest driving forces of human beings, then you don’t want a serious discussion.
Greed is absolutely part of it, people want to maximize their gains, be it money, health, security or resources.
But since you don’t accept that answer, what is your explanation for a refugee that keeps walking through safe country after safe country before finally finding the specific country they accept?
Why should refugees get to pick and choose a specific EU country to live in?
Why would legitimate refugees’s discard their papers?
what is your explanation for a refugee that keeps walking through safe country after safe country before finally finding the specific country they accept?
Huh? Because it is safe obviously.
Everyone wants a better chance of better living.
And refugees are already moving.
Since they are already moving why not move to a country with better chance of better living?
If they hear “so-and-so country has better chance of better living” of course they are going to choose that, again, because they are already moving.
I didn’t say greed can’t be part of it, but anti immigration folks position it as the primary or significant motivator, but:
If they were primarily motivated by greed, the would have immigrated long ago.
And their objection seems to be primarily motivated by greed, the want more and they perceive that immigrants will prevent them from getting more. So why is their greed ok but immigrant greed isn’t?
What is my explanation? I don’t need one, you’re the one saying it’s greed, it’s up to you to prove that in the face of an entirely reasonable counterargument.
But I’ll give you one anyways - they’re looking for a place that they can belong, which isn’t necessarily going to be the first place they arrive. They’re looking for the ability to support their family, which isn’t greed.
Why shouldn’t refugees get to pick what country they move to, like any EU citizen can?
Why would legitimate refugees discard their papers? You tell me, why would having papers be worse than not having papers? That practically screams that something is either very wrong with the system, or that this is simply a dishonest claim.
Swede here, absolutely not, around 2015 or so we got hit by the mass migration wave, there were plenty of documented cases of migrants throwing away or destroying their documents to try and claim refugee status when they clearly didn’t need it, thus taking spots from actual refugees.
There were also real refugees who did this, they registered in Greece, Spain, Italy or other southern Europe country, but then they kept going north, trying to get to a better country. At that point you are no longer a refugee, but an economic migrant.
I 100% oppose these migrants.
The dumb thing is that the EU would distribute refugees throughout the union, just because you registered in Spain, didn’t mean you had to stay there, you would stay for an interim period and be distributed to your proper host country.
I have zero issues with migrants/refugees who come the legal route, learn the language, work, and integrate in the culture.
Why did the immigrants feel the need to do that?
If you’re just going to say greed then I can’t take you seriously, since greed would have moved them far sooner.
Maybe there are problems with the immigration system
If you are just going to reject one of the biggest driving forces of human beings, then you don’t want a serious discussion.
Greed is absolutely part of it, people want to maximize their gains, be it money, health, security or resources.
But since you don’t accept that answer, what is your explanation for a refugee that keeps walking through safe country after safe country before finally finding the specific country they accept?
Why should refugees get to pick and choose a specific EU country to live in?
Why would legitimate refugees’s discard their papers?
Huh? Because it is safe obviously.
Everyone wants a better chance of better living.
And refugees are already moving.
Since they are already moving why not move to a country with better chance of better living?
If they hear “so-and-so country has better chance of better living” of course they are going to choose that, again, because they are already moving.
I didn’t say greed can’t be part of it, but anti immigration folks position it as the primary or significant motivator, but:
If they were primarily motivated by greed, the would have immigrated long ago.
And their objection seems to be primarily motivated by greed, the want more and they perceive that immigrants will prevent them from getting more. So why is their greed ok but immigrant greed isn’t?
What is my explanation? I don’t need one, you’re the one saying it’s greed, it’s up to you to prove that in the face of an entirely reasonable counterargument.
But I’ll give you one anyways - they’re looking for a place that they can belong, which isn’t necessarily going to be the first place they arrive. They’re looking for the ability to support their family, which isn’t greed.
Why shouldn’t refugees get to pick what country they move to, like any EU citizen can?
Why would legitimate refugees discard their papers? You tell me, why would having papers be worse than not having papers? That practically screams that something is either very wrong with the system, or that this is simply a dishonest claim.