I mean you’re talking about settlers from the early 1500s with the repossession of lands taking place 1605-1610 with the first big rebellion in 1641 when Ireland truly lost its power over immigration.
It’s further complicated by the Penal Laws of the early 1700s. If your family was (natively) Irish 300 years ago and stayed in Ireland but converted from Catholicism to Protestants, are you colonizers or not?
Hence why politicians have not been able to unstick the mess for hundreds of years
It’s quite hard to distinguish who is “living on stolen land”
I get it, you can’t make people leave when they are living there for several generations, but at least you can give back the stolen land. They can decide themselves whether they want to live in Ireland or prefer to move.
Is the land stolen? Yes it is. Does it belong to Ireland and should it be given back? Yes is does, and it should.
Do the inhabitants have a right to stay? Yes of course.
There, problem solved. Onto the next issue: The Brittish museum…
Who do you give it back to? Under whose authority? The UK didn’t exist in 1501. Even Wales was it’s own country at this point.
Britain, The British parliament and the British crown were distant concepts hundreds of years in the future.
Half the original Protestant order would’ve preferred to be ruled by Holland than England and half the Catholics would’ve chosen Scotland. Today Scotland and England are part of the same country (legally speaking) and I don’t think the Dutch would be that keen to relitigate the Glorious Revolution.
I mean you’re talking about settlers from the early 1500s with the repossession of lands taking place 1605-1610 with the first big rebellion in 1641 when Ireland truly lost its power over immigration.
It’s further complicated by the Penal Laws of the early 1700s. If your family was (natively) Irish 300 years ago and stayed in Ireland but converted from Catholicism to Protestants, are you colonizers or not?
Hence why politicians have not been able to unstick the mess for hundreds of years
It’s quite hard to distinguish who is “living on stolen land”
Maybe we shouldn’t judge or penalize people on the sins of their parents.
And when we start getting into blood purity it gets a little gross.
Ah ok, so if you steal it long enough it’s fine.
I get it, you can’t make people leave when they are living there for several generations, but at least you can give back the stolen land. They can decide themselves whether they want to live in Ireland or prefer to move.
Is the land stolen? Yes it is. Does it belong to Ireland and should it be given back? Yes is does, and it should.
Do the inhabitants have a right to stay? Yes of course.
There, problem solved. Onto the next issue: The Brittish museum…
Who do you give it back to? Under whose authority? The UK didn’t exist in 1501. Even Wales was it’s own country at this point.
Britain, The British parliament and the British crown were distant concepts hundreds of years in the future.
Half the original Protestant order would’ve preferred to be ruled by Holland than England and half the Catholics would’ve chosen Scotland. Today Scotland and England are part of the same country (legally speaking) and I don’t think the Dutch would be that keen to relitigate the Glorious Revolution.
Dutch guy here. Actually…